Ep. 90: Adrienne Carter: Shifting Your Mindset

[00:00:00] Through hypnosis, when it comes to performance, we want the noise to be dialed down so that you can execute, you can get out of your own way, you can execute. And one of the visualizations I like to use with people is as you go into an event, as you sit down in your pairings and in your deal, that you can just start to imagine that even the judges, even the other tables, everything just starts to fade to gray.

[00:00:29] And you can see it, you know, you close your eyes and start to imagine that everything in front of you is high definition. The reds, the blacks on the colors of your cards, right, it gets to be super high definition, but everything else fades to gray. Because everything else just becomes noise. And the more proficient we are at controlling that noise, the more room you have to just be able to play your style, your style that we can now have proof.

[00:00:57] That is a winning style. You know, it can't be denied now that you have a style that when executed well, is dominant and can win.

[00:01:13] Today, I have an aspiring bridge player. She's played some whist. And her name is Adrienne Carter. She is a specialist in mindset and performance, working with clients across the globe in a wide range of industries, from athletics to CEOs, poker players, recent uptick in her business with

[00:01:43] golfing community, thanks to an appearance on Chasing Scratch. The Chasing Scratch podcast. And the reason that I'm have her here today is because back in September of 2022, I reached out to Adrienne, I reached out to Adrienne, the company Adrienne works for. It's called Primed Mind.

[00:02:06] Primed Mind. My friend and former Setting Trick guest, Nabil Edgerton told me about Primed Mind. He was doing some of your hypnosis recordings, exercises through your app. Primed Mind.

[00:03:01] Primed Mind. yet. Like they're going to be reaching out to you as soon as this podcast is over. I even had some, I even had some, some second thoughts about sharing you, Adrian, with our listeners, because you'd helped me so much. And here you are, you've, you've become a friend. We've never met in person,

[00:03:27] but you did send me a pretty healthy, what was that thing? Tomahawk. Yeah, Tomahawk, Tomahawk steak for Christmas this year. Adrian Carter, this is your introduction to the bridge community writ large. Oh, thank you so much. What an amazing testimonial. Honestly, it's some of the best to hear somebody say, I want to share you, but I really don't,

[00:03:54] you know, like keeping that, that secret sort of secret tool tool in your toolkit. Um, yeah. And nothing says gratitude, like protein hitting your protein goals. I think protein costs. Um, but yeah, thank you so much for the introduction. Uh, and everything you said is true. We haven't met yet. And, uh, I love card games, bridge,

[00:04:20] twist, all of the rest. I am definitely very green in the bridge department, but, uh, that is true for many of the industries my clients work in. And that's part of what makes my position, my job, my passion so good is that I get to have a little bit of a hand, a little taste of so many industries that people are involved in and get to ride alongside with their passion

[00:04:47] and their drive and your love for bridge, uh, definitely fuels my interest in it. And, and, and, and, and funny enough, you're like primary modus is, uh, hypnosis, which I didn't actually love. I did not love the hypnosis. We would do this exercise and I would be at the same damn place every time. Uh, but you know what I did, you know what I do love? I do love the

[00:05:17] results and I do love the ongoing support. Um, and I do love, you know, having, uh, you know, having something where I can really like bear down and focus. Uh, I mean, like Bob Hammond is a famous bridge player, um, and, uh, one of the most famous, and he talks about, uh, you know, you got to move

[00:05:42] on to the next board, uh, you know, deal in bridge. And, uh, you really helped me with that. Um, I have a little catchphrase that you, uh, you kind of came up with and it's, uh, uh, pen down, focus up. And, uh, recently, uh, I won my biggest ever title, uh, the, uh, uh, WT WBT masters in Reykjavik.

[00:06:10] And for those who aren't, uh, who are only listening, I have the trophy here for Adrian. Uh, I reached out to you. I told you when I told you about that, you're like, I want to see the trophy. So, uh, here it is. Um, it's my, I have like some trophies, some other bridge trophies from much lesser wins, like, uh, like limited events, like, like zero to 300. Uh, I won an event at the,

[00:06:39] uh, North American bridge championships in 2011, I think it was. Um, but yeah, that, that trophy. Yeah. What a fantastic evolution. And I mean, that trophy is beautiful. Yeah. I got the, they, we had some prize money too. And they, they, they give it, they gave us a piece of paper, uh, for, to like sort of an honorarium of the prize money. And I have, I have that framed also, but that's in the other room.

[00:07:10] That's fantastic. And, you know, you mentioned that you, you didn't like the hypnosis, but you like the results. And the truth is the vehicle matters, but to a much lesser degree, you know, if it gets you to the results, if it gets you to your destination, that's all people want. You know, when they start to engage in a coaching relationship or they find a mentor or even somebody in the bridge community, you just want to be able to get to that destination with greater

[00:07:39] reliability, with greater ease, greater consistency. And, and so the methodology, I matters, but less than we think. And that catchphrase, pen down, focus up that came from you during hypnosis. I provide the framework for clients, but the clients are always providing the content. You know, hypnosis, one of the things that people sometimes get lost in when it comes to

[00:08:09] talking about hypnosis is they think of the stage shows and where it really looks like, okay, the hypnotist is doing something to you and taking control. But in a therapeutic sense, in a performance sense, really what I'm doing is looking to get you as relaxed as possible, as focused as possible, so that we can start to understand what are the internal programs that run? What is the internal

[00:08:34] coding that runs, the limitations, the beliefs, the barriers that you might have that hold you back from the vision of performance that you have? And I really see what I do as providing the scaffolding for us to build this magnificent structure, this magnificent creation, whether it's a skyscraper or a sprawling golf course or whatever it is. Whatever my client wants to build is absolutely unique and unrepeatable

[00:09:03] to, but only to them. But I can provide the structure and scaffolding that gives them the ability to see and understand the pathways to get there on a subconscious level. And when we bring the subconscious conscious, the greatest thing clients will talk about is it just felt easier. I didn't have as much internal resistance. And so with bridge, that could be something like you're going into your final match and

[00:09:32] maybe you get that feeling in your stomach or your heart starts to beat more quickly because, okay, you can really say, oh, this championship is here. It's mine for the taking. All I have to do is execute on my process. But now you start to get more twisted up on those internal beliefs of success. Is success safe? Is it something that's successful? Is it meant for me? Am I supposed to be the one who's holding the

[00:09:59] trophy at the end? Or is that for other people? And so we're able to, by leveraging your subconscious and using hypnosis, start to understand where you maybe learned things about success that are outdated programs or untrue? Yeah. Like when I was preparing for this conversation, I, uh, I was trying to think

[00:10:26] how, if I could like explicitly point to, I mean, yeah, the focus, focus up thing for sure. But, um, um, you know, it's hard to, it's hard to, to draw the straight, to draw a straight line. Um, but, uh,

[00:10:47] you know, I'm sure that it made a huge difference and, uh, I, you know, it's just been fun to like, you're one of the people that is most fun for me, even though we, we really, like we, I said, we've never met, like it's, you're one of the people that's most fun with me to share

[00:11:09] my successes with. Um, and, uh, even though we haven't, you know, we, we did like an initial group of sessions and then maybe one or two hypnosis sessions before, but after, and maybe we should do some more, but, uh, you know, it is, it's just been fun. And like, just going back in preparation for this conversation, going back through all of our communication, our text messaging

[00:11:38] and like how I told you, you know, that we won. And, uh, it was funny because I was, I was working with you, like, like actively working with you when we won that for, when I won that first, the, the Mitchell border match. And, and we were, we had a really bad start in the event prior, the Soloway knockout teams. And so, you know, I was reaching out to you and you gave me some,

[00:12:07] some hypnosis, uh, sort of, uh, things from the prime mind app. And, uh, I was doing those. And then we ended up like just barely missing out, uh, the top 32 teams make the cut in the Soloway. And going into the last match, we were, um, kind of just on the bubble, maybe inside the cut. And we end funnily enough. We played the team that ended up winning the Soloway

[00:12:35] and they beat us pretty badly. And, uh, I remember thinking, man, this, you know, this, this team just, we just don't have the horsepower to win, you know, like an event like the Soloway. And then just out of nowhere, uh, you know, we, yeah, we, we, we won the next one. And, um, yeah.

[00:13:01] Well, that ability, that ability to put the Soloway away, you know, once you've been eliminated and this is true, you know, as you know, I have a long history in the poker world and playing poker at various degrees as a recreational, as a professional, as my sole source of income. Um, and with any games and with any sports and with any events or things that we do that are within a

[00:13:29] confined space, once it's closed, that event was only a practice for your next one. And this is true for my Olympians that I work with, you know, they, uh, I worked most recently with an Olympic sailor and they would sail three or four races a day over a course of four days.

[00:13:54] And it's no different structurally than like what Bob says about finishing a board, completing the board, archiving it, moving past it because that board was already just a practice for the next one. So what can you take? What can you carry and what can you leave behind? And you don't need to lead to hold on to the rumination of the mistakes or was that lucky or unlucky?

[00:14:24] All of that really becomes irrelevant. And the faster that we can scoop the information that we need and carry that forward, the more success is available. But if you carry the weight and baggage of a race around, uh, a poker tournament with you, that's going to just add to that mental load, that emotional load, the emotional charge. And that is what diminishes your horsepower. So you say,

[00:14:53] we don't have the horsepower to get through there. Well, you know, maybe the, the vehicle you're driving weighs five times more metaphorically than theirs did. And so we start to be able to see what the people that are the best in the industry are doing, you know, what is it that they are doing in their day to day? You know, when you think of the people who are ranked in the top 10

[00:15:22] in the WBF, what do you imagine they're doing, whether you're doing it or not? What sort of things do they do that supports their game? You know, I think it's actually, um, I imagine that there's a lot of opportunity for the best bridge players. Uh, cause I don't think it's that formal. Like, uh, I think that, you know, and I mean,

[00:15:50] I'm friends with a lot of the top bridge players, but I've not, not asked them so much about like, how do they get ready? Um, yeah. Like what is there, you know, I know that, uh, so bridge is a partnership game. So, um, like, uh, this, these friends, this is a French pair. Um, their names are Tomas Vecis and Seder Gronzini. And I, I think they have like 400 pages of system notes,

[00:16:16] which is just mountains. And, uh, and, you know, I'm sure they're studying their system to make sure that they remember it all. You know, they're opt, they've optimized their system in ways, um, where, uh, but like they, they, I, I talked to Cedric, uh, at the summer in ABC last year,

[00:16:44] and he was telling me about how they, uh, so that they, their system, they, they open, uh, they open two diamonds if they have 18 to 19 high card points in a balanced hand. And so when they, if they open the bidding at the one level and then the opponents get in the auction, uh, they can, they can make a takeout double. Uh, and you, they know that they know that they have

[00:17:12] distribution. They know they don't have this 18, 19 balanced hand. And so they've got this one hand that, that they don't like their, the auctions where they start with 18, 19 balanced, aren't that great probably because they're starting at the two level. They're starting at two diamonds, but it frees up so much more negative inferences for when they do have a strong hand that they know that their partner's not balanced. They know they've got shape. And so that, like that gives,

[00:17:40] like that just makes, you know, it just, I, I, I played in a practice match with, so I'm playing with, uh, I'm playing in the platinum pairs and this, this episode will be published after the platinum pairs is already over. Um, but today is Tuesday, March 11th that we're recording. And I'm playing with this guy, Joe grew, who is, uh, one of the best bridge players in the world

[00:18:05] and a good friend. And, uh, just, you know, like it's a, it's, I'm really excited to get to play the platinum pairs with him. And we did a practice thing last night online and, uh, it was there. So it was an eight, there are eight people in this zoom after we played a practice match. So it was two teams of four and, and Joe and my team won the match by one point over this team of juniors that are,

[00:18:32] uh, that Joe's coaching for the junior world championships this summer. And they were talking about, uh, man, some of the things that they were talking about were so detailed that there was like two other pros in addition to Joe. And then some of the, the kids on the junior teams are, are pros too. But like listening to these guys talk about, uh, hands where you have a, like a strong

[00:19:01] hand with both minors. I mean, I was just, I was just thinking, Oh my gosh, these guys are so like, they're so far ahead of where I am. And it's not like, I mean, those things are, they don't come up that often, but when they do come up, uh, like this one particular treatment, Greg Hinzey was talking

[00:19:24] about, he's a pro, you know, a top pro it's like when you have both minors and the opponents have preempted in a major. And do you even know, do you even know what the minors are? I don't, I don't, but I do appreciate what I do appreciate about this is just like that discussion on how the game evolves. And so sometimes it's generationally, but like the, the games and

[00:19:51] industries and sports all evolve, you know, and that's, that's true for NBA. Like look at NBA scores today versus when the bulls were impossible to defeat in the eighties, you know, look at how the game evolves. And really, it really lends itself to that. You have to be an active participant in the pursuit of success, the pursuit of excellence, that because you were good two years ago, five years

[00:20:20] ago. Sure. That that's a great starting point, but like you have to evolve alongside the game. If you want to remain really relevant. One of the things that was funny. So we've like, we've communicated a lot, you and I, and, uh, one of the things that was funny in the process of preparing for this interview, I said, will you, uh, will you send me the original application that I

[00:20:45] sent to primed mind? And you did. And, uh, I've got it printed out here. And so the first question is what inspired you to reach out to us about mindset and performance coaching right now? And my answer was, I want to win, I want to win the Bermuda ball bridge world championship.

[00:21:08] And then one of the other questions, how would you describe your current situation in your profession or business? And I said, static, I'm stuck in neutral. That's kind of still the case. Yeah. Um, and, uh, yeah, yeah. But I mean, my, my bridge, yeah, my bridge, I've, I've come a long way

[00:21:36] in the time we've worked together. You laugh when you say that you wanted to, to win the Bermuda ball. Oh, I still want to believe me. Yeah. And so even if that is a long shot and outside shot, we get to hold these visions, these views for what that potential can be. Even if down here, where we're at feels a little bit muddy, a little bit static, you know, like part of the human

[00:22:04] experience is that we can hold both. We can hold the realities of the confines that maybe we have, whether it's financial, whether it is intellectual, whether it's emotional, like, but we get to play and start to see, okay, well, how can we bring these two closer together? And so what's the path to the Bermuda ball? Um, so the Bermuda ball is every two years and, uh,

[00:22:33] it's this year and there's a trials, uh, put on by the United States bridge federation, which is different from the American contract bridge league, which hosts the upcoming, uh, North American bridge championships. And so the team trials, it's called the United States bridge championships. And, uh, my partner for the platinum pairs, this guy, Joe grew, his team has won the

[00:22:57] trials each of the last two years. And, uh, they've got their sponsors named Marty Fleischer, who in all likelihood is going into the hall of fame as a player. Uh, like, I think it should be announced probably at the tournament, uh, this week upcoming. And so a lot of like, so, so like my role on the team is going to be as a sponsor, most likely if, if I'm going to win the Bermuda ball.

[00:23:23] And so Marty won the Bermuda ball in 2017. And, uh, like I said, he's won the last two trials and he, and you know, like a lot of the sponsors that go in the hall of fame don't necessarily go in as players. They go in, it's kind of a slightly different category, but Marty's going in as a player, which is a testament to, you know, really his, you know, how strong his resume is. Like he's

[00:23:50] won the platinum pairs before, for example, and you know, a pair event, it's just you and your partner. So it's like, you know, yeah, he's got a great team. He's got a six handed team for the trials. Um, but you know, winning a pair event, you got, it's not like he's not pulling the load, uh, Marty. Um, and there's a lot of metrics of success. Yes. Objectively, objectively getting the

[00:24:17] trophy, getting the win, you know, getting to stand there with your team for all the pictures. Like, yes, that is the win, but there are going to be wins that are sub threads below that, because at the end of the day, you don't control the deal. You know, you control your bidding, your response to the hands and all the rest, but it's the beauty of a game like bridge or a team sport that has such an individual component. Like you need a lot of things to kind of click in together so that you can

[00:24:46] have that win. But as we move along, you have to be able to find the wins in the hour, in the day, in the deal. And one of the exercises that we've done for sure, it would be, you know, coming into something like these platinum pairs with Joe defining success. What would success be for you this weekend?

[00:25:11] And we can already include winning because we know that, but what beyond that would lead you to message me on Tuesday and say, yeah, that was a success. Yeah. I mean, certainly. So it's three days and they cut the field in half each day. Uh, so making the final, I've only made the final twice. Um, um, making the final would be fantastic. Um, one of the things I noticed. And how many teams will

[00:25:41] make the final? Is that just two then? Pairs. Yeah. Uh, how many pairs, but two pairs. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So like there are, uh, I think 26 pairs make the final. Okay. Yeah. So there'll probably be around a hundred entered and then there'll be 50 the second day. And then 26 is good because so there's, so you each get to play, like you play 13. So maybe it's 28.

[00:26:11] But a good number. You play like, what's that? A good number. It's not, it's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I've only made it, I've only made it to the finals twice. And there's times when Joe and his partner on the Fleischer team, uh, haven't even made it past the first day. So making the second day, uh, is good. And last year in the platinum pairs, my partner and I were probably

[00:26:40] in the top five going into the second day. And then we didn't qualify for the third day. You know, it's like, uh, thinking about the second day of the platinum pairs is tough. Like the, it it's, uh, so the platinum pairs is the, is the most, uh, in terms of ACBL events, it's the most restrictive. Like you have to have a certain number of platinum points in your career or at least 50 in a year

[00:27:06] in order to even qualify for it. So a lot of the other three day pair events at the NABCs are significantly weaker in terms of the field because the qualifications to enter are not as rigorous. Um, but, uh, in terms of, you know, what our success for this, one of the things is Joe and I played,

[00:27:31] we played a couple of times online, uh, while he was here for this golf prep sort of thing. And, uh, you know, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to do well, like I want to make the right decision. And, uh, yeah.

[00:28:00] Yeah. So this is what we do in hypnosis, right? When you think about that pressure you feel going into this weekend with Joe, where do you feel it? Because you feel it physically in your body. Hmm. I think in my head, you know, I think there's like some, and that pressure, yeah, go ahead. What do you think about it?

[00:28:26] Like we did some practice bidding on, uh, on this, on, on this app called Qubids. And I thinking, man, I've got a tough bid here. I really want to get this right. And there's like some, like the gears are slowing down. I'm not even sure that I play my best when I'm playing with Joe, because I defer to him so much, you know, like if I'm playing with somebody who I think that I'm a

[00:28:51] stronger player than I might even play better because I feel like I'm playing my game, you know, like, I feel like with Joe, I just, you know, there's so. Yeah. A little bit of that, that, that, uh, submissive perhaps. And so when you start to think about that pressure that you feel in your head and people listening can do this too, when we start to tune into the physical reaction our body

[00:29:18] has, it's telling us that we've been here before. We've been in this situation before that pressure in your head, the racing heart. It's because it's going to tie back to another time where meaning was made of a situation. And what we do in hypnosis is we're able to go through some of those memories

[00:29:43] and start to understand, okay, well, where was, you know, making a mistake, maybe unsafe in a situation where you have somebody who is more experienced, a mentor, a leader, like where did a teacher at one stage, you know, call you out for a mistake, you know, as, as a lot of teachers do and

[00:30:05] have done. And, or did a parent ask you, you know, oh, this is the mark you got on this exam. What happened to the other X percent? Did you like, where, what, where does this pressure stem from? And it often traces back to childhood because as children, our job is to just be wide open sponges, receiving data, receiving information. This is safe. This is not safe because you have to learn at a

[00:30:33] incredibly high rate for survival. And so at the time, kids are just in this absorbing pattern. They're not discerning. They're not thinking, oh, that teacher isn't great at their job. This teacher maybe is stressed from at home and they're taking it out on me because they're having a knee-jerk reaction.

[00:30:57] You know, this child who the teacher is really hard on thinks I'm not good enough. But the truth of the situation is far beyond that. You know, the truth of the situation is this child is learning. They're supposed to make mistakes. Like that's a beginner's mindset. The first time a child gets up to give a presentation in class and the kids laugh at them, well, it is supposed to be the worst. They're not supposed to get up and do a presentation in front of the class and have it be great.

[00:31:27] However, that internal, that emotional feeling being inside really receives everything as unsafe. And so this pressure that you feel in your head or whatever physical sensation anybody else has as they're listening, as they're thinking about, okay, well, do I get it, you know, in my guts? Do I get it in

[00:31:52] my heart? Do I get it in my shoulders? Do I grind my teeth? Whatever it might be is going to link back. And you can start to even do it yourself consciously. Think back to, okay, well, when else have I felt this pressure in my head? You know, oh, fighting with my partner. Well, what, what was, what was the meaning I made of that? Because humans are meaning makers and we make meaning out of situation very quickly

[00:32:18] because that's how we connect to it. But we're not always the most accurate and especially in childhood. And so when you think about the pressure that you feel in your head, does it remind you of anything? Yeah, I go back to college and, uh, I was playing lacrosse for University of Virginia and

[00:32:45] just not being able to execute kind of, uh, kind of like basic, like throwing and catching, um, losing my confidence. Yeah. And that feels big for, you know, a teenager or early twenties, you know, you're really are just stepping into yourself, but you think like you're told at that stage, you're an adult now, you're grown, you're this, you're that, but really you're still emerging.

[00:33:15] And in so many ways we emerge through the entirety of our life, but the stakes in the moment feel high. And so there's going to be a part of you going into this platinum pairs with Joe that is really aware that the stakes are so much higher. They're so much higher than what's going to happen over these

[00:33:38] three days, or maybe it interprets it higher, you know, and, and then mistakes feel more costly in terms of, you know, if you crush this weekend, maybe you and Joe get to have more time together, you know, more golf together, more bridge together. Maybe that, that becomes that evolution.

[00:34:03] And what a great thing that would be, but now there's the pressure. Okay. Well, if I make a mistake, you know, does he just think I'm a terrible bridge player that I've gotten lucky that those sorts of things. And so we start to add in all of this and it starts to cloud and clear and create this internal

[00:34:23] pressure for you, but that's all noise. And so through hypnosis, when it comes to performance, we want the noise to be dialed down so that you can execute, you can get out of your own way, you can execute. And one of the visualizations I like to use with people is as you go into an event,

[00:34:48] as you sit down in your pairings and in your deal, that you can just start to imagine that even the judges, even the other tables, everything just starts to fade to gray. And you can see it, you know, you close your eyes and start to imagine that everything in front of you is high definition. The reds, the blacks on the colors of your cards, right? It gets to be super high definition, but everything else fades to gray because everything else just becomes noise. And the more proficient we

[00:35:17] are at controlling that noise, the more room you have to just be able to play your style. Your style that we had now have proof that is a winning style. You know, it can't be denied now that you have a style that when executed well is dominant and can win. And so success,

[00:35:44] you said success with this platinum pairs is making the final day. Obviously we would like to have the victory at the end, but you know, making the final day. So then the next step, once you understand, okay, for me to feel like I've had a successful platinum pairs with Joe, I want to make the final day. I optimally want to come out as, as, as being champions. But once you have that view, that result,

[00:36:14] now the time becomes, okay. So now you need to look at, uh, setting your, your expectations. So that can mean I'm going to go to bed by 10 PM, by 9 PM. I'm going to sleep well. I'm going to fuel my body. I'm going to get up every morning and do 10 pushups, 10 jumping jacks, whatever it is

[00:36:41] to get my blood flowing. I'm going to practice in the app. And I miss what app you said it was, but I'm going to bid 10 hands every morning in the app, uh, whatever it is. These will get to be part of the process, the expectations that you set for yourself that will garner you that success. And when you have your basic expectations of the things that you want to do,

[00:37:07] then you set your process. And then the hardest thing is to just remain in your process. Yeah. It's, it's like the, like the focus up, pen down, focus up thing. You know, that's, it's so easy to say so easy to say that, but, and I, and I did notice too, you know, like, and like you, like you were just talking about, like, that I do want my goals to be more process

[00:37:36] oriented than results oriented. That's probably, you're, you probably know that. Yeah. And, and I mean, people can go to extremes with that, right? People can go to, to, to very much extremes about that, but we do fundamentally understand that if your process is sound, your results will come, but the results matter. Yeah.

[00:38:03] You know, and, and that's the same true, like even in my work with my clients, you know, my process can be sound, but if the results aren't coming for the clients, well, that we, we need to really take a critical look at that. Yeah. Um, I just want to say, uh, before we're going to, we're going to switch to you. We're going

[00:38:32] to switch the focal point to your journey. Uh, I just want to say that this is not going to switch the focal point. If I say what I was thinking about saying, uh, just, I have never even won a match in the team trials to represent the U S in the remeer ball. So like, I, I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm far in that sense, far from it. Like I've come close to winning a match against that Fleischer team,

[00:39:02] actually. And Joe was on it. Yeah. Although they didn't have, uh, Kevin Bathurst and John Hurt on that team. Not that, I mean, you know, they are, but, uh, yeah. So, uh, but we broke, we've broken through things before. Um, well, you say you're far, but the truth is you're one match away from winning a match. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that, that, that is unequivocal truth now. Yeah.

[00:39:31] But you've got to win. You, like I, you have to even represent the U S like then you get to the Bermuda ball like itself, you know, and it's not like they're, it's not like they're just people are rolling over to be like, Oh, you should win. You need to win this. Uh, and so, but it's one board at a time, right? Yeah. There's, there's a, there's a, a paradox that I like that I, uh, you know,

[00:39:56] and, and, and it lends to what I said about kind of being, having this vision, this view of where you want to be and the reality of where you are. It's the Stockdale paradox, but it's that, that being able to, to still hold the hope, the aspiration, the vision all the while understanding the reality of the situation you're in. And so the reality of the situation is you haven't won a match

[00:40:22] at that level. Yeah. But you can hold both and you are one board away, one match away, one hand away. And so remaining in your process, doing the things that garner you success that, you know,

[00:40:48] just brings that likelihood much higher. Is it a favorite? Probably not, but given the right odds, we could, we could make a healthy bet. So hypnosis, you got into hypnosis. Uh, so you, you were in your, in your email to me, you said, you know, you did all the things, checking the boxes,

[00:41:15] went to college, became an occupational therapist, and then you started playing poker. And, uh, you, you kind of realized that as an occupational therapist, you could do a great job of doing your job, or you could, it didn't really matter necessarily, uh, how good of a job you did. Like it's sort of,

[00:41:39] is that, uh, am I paraphrasing? Yeah, very much so. Very, very much so. That was, so my family, my parents emigrated to Canada from Ireland and my upbringing was very much like boots on the ground, like get in, do the work, uh, don't cause trouble, you know, really stay fundamentally strong because this is, there's a lot of sacrifice going into this and we need to make this work. And so for me,

[00:42:08] all through elementary, middle school, high school, and it was just, okay, well, what are you taking in university? What are you doing in college? What are you going to do to get your career, to get your house, to get your car, to, you know, have this successful life? And I really did check all those boxes, but it was all laid out for me and with, with the very best of intentions. Yeah. Because, you know, in the eighties, like this was success, you get a degree and Hey,

[00:42:34] you're going to be ahead of the curve and you will be just fine. And I found myself in my early twenties in this pause of, okay, I'm an adult now. I'm a medical professional. I'm a therapist. I'm all of these things, but who am I? And I really struggled with that because I couldn't imagine going through

[00:43:01] the next 40 plus years of my life, just working in this job, even though I loved it. And I still really, uh, think occupational therapy is an incredible, incredible modality. Um, and at that time I was introduced to poker and I found myself for the first time in a realm where

[00:43:26] my efforts could yield variable results, depending on how I thought about the game, how I studied and spoiler alert, I didn't say, um, you know, because I also had this fundamental underlying belief that there were natural gifts people had that the athletes that I tried to compete

[00:43:53] with playing basketball in high school, that they were just gifted. I didn't have the deep understanding about putting in the work in that, in that, that I really understood that if I tried something and it didn't work, it probably just wasn't for me, that it wasn't the right path for me rather than, okay, well, but I want to do this. So how can I figure it out? I didn't have a lot of that figure it outness to me.

[00:44:20] Uh, and poker started to invite that in. And then for the course of the next eight years, I would be at work and then I go play poker in the evening and online poker started to become a thing. And so it really started to amplify and grow, uh, it's representation in my life to the point where I was working, you know, 15 to 20 hours a week as an occupational therapist. And the rest of my

[00:44:47] time was either traveling, uh, or playing poker and really exploring what that could look like and what the excitement that the risk even brought into my life. And then in 2011, I was introduced to my now mentor and one of the founders of prime minds, uh, Elliot row. And he was working

[00:45:11] in hypnosis and, uh, helping people kind of really take a critical look at their programming, at the things that make them who they are and being able to decide what to, to be able to execute critical thinking and to be able to ask myself, okay, well, is this working for me? Is this yielding

[00:45:33] the best results? And being more in choice of how I executed? And then over the next number of years, I ended up really dedicating myself to poker, becoming a full-time poker professional, being able to show up at the table. And poker is, is such an interesting game because you literally can do things perfectly. You know, you put all your chips in and you have aces and somebody calls and

[00:46:02] they have two random cards. You still only win 80%, 85% of the time. So that's, you know, a good number, a good percentage of the time where you get, you leave with nothing and you have to be able to not just compartmentalize it, but be able to process, digest it and move past it very quickly so that you can show up tomorrow without carrying any of that wounding because the wounding holds you back.

[00:46:33] And yeah, I spent eight years representing as a professional poker player with the world's biggest online poker site at the time, traveling, playing, just showing a different side of the game to mass this community of trophies. Oh, there's one more of higher, you know, and really getting to fuel that side of myself that was so deeply competitive. But I got to understand competition

[00:47:03] in a different way, in a different way than I had learned it. You know, where effort and competition isn't a downside. It doesn't mean you're less deserving. It doesn't mean that you don't belong there because you work harder. Perhaps you belong there even more. And then the evolution from there

[00:47:24] was I have found myself wanting to be back in a role that had greater impact. And Elliot at the time in 2018 said, well, why don't you start coaching with me? Pull from your experience in medicine and therapy, your experience in life as a poker player, your experience, you know, as a mother, I have three young

[00:47:51] kids, like to create this container that's able to connect with people in this way, to be able to see the things that they can't see for themselves and help to, you know, elevate performance. And it's the best blend. I have never been happier or more fulfilled. I love that I get to celebrate

[00:48:21] clients' victories, you know, whether it's sporting, whether it's bridge, you know, like getting those texts in that picture is, it is so deeply exciting for me. Whether I understand all the nuance or not. The minors and the majors. Right.

[00:48:46] So you started working with Elliot in 2011, I think you said, and that was at the suggestion of your now husband. Is that? That's right. Yeah. He was a poker player at the time as well. And, you know, you couldn't have found two more different poker players, really. Because my husband, Ryan, was very into the numbers and the

[00:49:11] math and he would like the real, the data and the analytics. And me, I was very much into the energy, the instinct, the natural, okay, well, what's my inclination? What does my gut tell me to do in this situation? What does my gut tell me to do in those situations? And so blending those two was really confronting at times because when you are a player who relies on instinct or leans on instinct,

[00:49:42] it becomes very easy to justify poor play or poor decisions and to write them off and to protect yourself. And, you know, but when you start to look at the data, the math, the analytics, you have to really be able to face that you're, you're making mistakes. That even sometimes, even

[00:50:07] though your gut tells you something, that it might actually just be a mistake. And so you always have to be in this back and forth of, okay, my gut says I need to raise or, you know, but the math is telling me I need to fold. Well, how do I take all of this information and even this conflicting information

[00:50:27] to make my path forward? And so we were a good, a good match in that way because at times he would ask me to explain myself and I would have no explanation. And that just opened up more doors for me to start to really look and be more clear on my expectations for success, my process,

[00:50:57] and all the rest. What was your initial impression of Elliot? I know of him through Prime Mind, but I don't, you know, I have not seen him speak, I don't think, or... That's a really great question. I like that question. What was my initial impression of Elliot? Elliot? I think I just had a really curious, you know, he was in the very early stages of his career

[00:51:26] and my, I had some skepticism when it comes to hypnosis and I would say 98% of my clients come to me very skeptical and, and that, that I would expect that skepticism would be part of it. But I was definitely very curious as to, okay, well, I'm aware that there's ways that I,

[00:51:51] you know, hold myself back. And I hear people saying all the time, I just need to get out of my own way. And I was open and willing to see where it could go. So I don't think I had a lot of preconceived notions. And did you, did you pick up on hypnosis pretty quickly? Like, did you see the, the, the value in it quickly or...

[00:52:22] Oh, absolutely. I mean, from, from the very first call, because when we're dealing with the subconscious, we're really into the feeling. And, and like when we talked about that feeling in your head, we're, we're starting to deal with that part of you that senses what's going on before you can even think about it. If you think from like a body to brain to body sort of reflex pathway, you know,

[00:52:48] this is the part of you that has that sensation, that feeling. And because we start to do work in regression where we're looking at emotionally charged memories, some, what we would call capital T trauma, you know, like, like really difficult, difficult memories, but others are just imprints, you know, a kid. I don't know what two kids do to each other, all sorts of terrible things,

[00:53:17] you know, steal your shoes at recess or whatever it is something where it's like, okay, it's not a big deal about to that child who couldn't find their shoes. They didn't know and created all this confusion. And that work as we go through it is deeply emotional and often surprisingly so. And being able to process, release, and transform the energy behind those memories and those moments

[00:53:43] creates an immediate impact, an immediate shift. And after the first call with a many clients, maybe they don't necessarily see, okay, like I'm performing so much better, but there's a collective, a comment that I get and people will say that I'm just freed up. I just feel like there's a little bit more time. I feel like I got to the end of the

[00:54:11] day and I still had energy. I wasn't as bogged down. And that's what we're looking to do. We're looking to be able to impact the beliefs, the limitations, the understandings that we had in memories and turn down that emotional load. So that emotional load just doesn't have to be carried anymore.

[00:54:29] And then you became a practitioner of the, like you started to teach it. How did that happen? Well, so in 2018, I was feeling complete with the company that I was working with and I was fatigued of poker and wanted to be back into impact and into some excitement. And I knew I didn't want a nine

[00:54:59] to five. I knew that that wasn't the direction, the pathway, that that wouldn't fuel me. I've been there, done that. And so the opportunity to begin to learn and to begin a mentorship with Elliot, you know, and reading books and doing other training, I just gave me that time to be able

[00:55:26] to start to practice and develop those skills and to build upon the skills that I already had. Occupational therapy in specific, one of the things that sets it apart from other rehab professionals, other medical things is that occupational therapists at their core care very deeply about

[00:55:49] you achieving your goals. So I'm not looking to say, this is what I think you need, but you tell me because you are the world's expert on yourself. And so you tell me what you need. And now I can help sort of create this funnel, this guide, so that we can get you there as quickly and easily as possible.

[00:56:14] And some of it is with conscious structures of things you're going to do. You know, if you tell me that you want to be able to run a marathon, then we're going to, okay, well, how far can you run today? How much can you commit to running every day? Whatever it is, like there is going to be some of that incremental work, but there's also going to be some of that internal mindset work that needs to happen so that you can not only hold the vision, but pursue it. And occupational therapists

[00:56:42] really are experts in allowing the client, the patient, the person to speak first, to speak for themselves. And what that could look like, you know, I worked in burns and trauma in the ICU in our big hospital. And the hospital always has metrics and goals and parameters that they expect for their

[00:57:10] patients, you know, usually around discharge and all the rest. And so, you know, I would be talking with clients about, okay, well, what's important to you? You know, when you get home, if your partner, if because of your injury, you can't dress yourself, you know, if you've had a back injury, a spinal cord injury, whatever it might be, is that important? And start to understand, okay, well,

[00:57:36] maybe that's not important to them, but maybe they really want to be able to make a meal. Well, how do we then tailor our interactions that that becomes the goal that becomes the most important? And so as I stepped into hypnosis and using that as the primary methodology to extract

[00:58:01] performance, it was a really natural flow because high performance is this like catchphrase or, you know, mindset and performance coaching is, you know, something that can be said, but it looks different for everybody. Your version of high performance is different than mine. And that doesn't make it lower, higher or anything because you understand, okay, for you

[00:58:26] in your specific life parameters, et cetera, what high performance is. What did your family who immigrated to Canada think about this poker business and then this hypnosis business?

[00:58:48] So poker was really concerning for my parents. My father had a little bit of a kind of entrepreneur's mindset. He was, he was a founder in his own right in a computer consulting company.

[00:59:09] Uh, my mom was cautious, you know, they had come to Canada in the mid seventies with very little. They lived through the eighties and all the crashes and all the downturns and all the rest. And so, you know, I think that from a large view, the view was, oh my gosh, my daughter has got this amazing

[00:59:33] career and she's throwing it away to gamble. You know, what does that look like? And so very much in the early days, I was very forthcoming with the, the results, the dollars. I was very forthcoming with, with what it was looking like, you know, and I've had days where I've lost five figures. I've had days where I've won five figures, you know, beyond. Um, and those are big, big swings,

[01:00:03] especially in context when you have a situation where the day I graduated as an occupational therapist, I was already making more, I was already had a greater earning potential than my, than my mom ever had. And so there's certainly that part is who's looking at it saying, you know, this is, this is crazy. Now with repetitions, with consistency, with being able to show results

[01:00:31] over a longer period of time, there was a little bit of a calming, a little bit of an exhale. Okay. This isn't as dangerous as it feels. This isn't throwing life away and all the rest. Uh, when it comes to hypnosis, the results is all that matters. You know, the testimonials become undeniable.

[01:00:58] Um, and, you know, as a by-product, my, my kids are these unreal human beings. And so like those become just undeniable, uh, results as, as from the process. Yeah. You've got, uh, uh, on your website, uh, the first testimonial is from Nick Mayhew. He's a

[01:01:26] Paralympian, three times gold medalist, one time silver medalist and three times world record holder. This is a pretty, it's a pretty strong endorsement. He says, I'm a gold medalist because of Adrian. I am a world record holder because of Adrian. I can say both of the statements three more times because of Adrian. It's wild, right? I mean, he, he sent me this testimonial and I, there's,

[01:01:52] there's no edits there because I would never, I would never edit it to that. And he's, and, but, oh, it is so exciting and fulfilling to play even the smallest part in the journeys like that. And, you know, him in particular, I can hold my breath longer than his races take to run

[01:02:22] and talk about pressure. Yeah. You get announced on the world's biggest stage to come out and then you stand in the blocks getting ready for two, maybe three minutes as they run the camera in front of you. They say your name, you get down in the blocks and there's that pause

[01:02:46] and then boom. And then 10.7 seconds or whatever it is, you're done. It's over. You're complete. When you talk about needing to extract performance right here, right now, I don't think that there's any other, and years of training, you know, he had made the switch from soccer into track,

[01:03:13] but now he's fully dedicated to track and still really deeply in that. But for the, the, the clients that are the Olympians and the Paralympians, they are, they have a special level of competitive drive because for a sprinter, you train years and years and years, hours and

[01:03:35] hours every week for a race that takes longer than no, it takes less time than it takes to walk down downstairs to get a sandwich. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I see why that's the first one at the top of your,

[01:03:57] at the top of your website. You get to the, you get to the Bermudable, you get to the Bermudable, John, and we will push you up too. I will make you that promise. If you want your, we can update with, uh, I don't know what the Bermudable trophy looks like, but I would sure be excited to see it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what it looks like either, actually.

[01:04:27] It's like the Stanley Cup, right? There's the, the, for the NHL. You don't, you don't touch it until you earn it. You don't even think about it until you earn it. Yeah. But your mom plays bridge, uh, doesn't she? She does. She does. Cards in our family was very much, uh, you know, the goal behind the games. Yes. It's hyper competitive, but we will play for stakes of, you know, whoever loses has to do the dishes

[01:04:55] or, you know, at the cabin. Terrible. I mean, that's a serious business when there's no dishwasher, you know, we're, we're out, we're out of the family cabin and everything's done by hand. And so, you know, and, and we play for community. We play for family, for relationships, for the jokes, for the laugh, for the mistakes, the mistakes get to be funnier than the successes. And

[01:05:22] that's, that's part of the beauty of WIST, of bridge, of poker is that anybody who sits at that table, they have different metrics for success. You know, I want to be playing cards with my family and laughing so hard that I'm crying. You know, that, that is absolutely the most successful. Deep down,

[01:05:48] I want to beat the crap out of them for sure. But the thing that I remember is the stories, the laughs, the jokes, the community. And that's really special. I think in card games, what's the scoring in WIST? Uh, just tricks over seven. And so how does that work? Um, well,

[01:06:14] so I mean, we would go in Ireland to WIST drives and you would be there with, when I would be there as a 10 year old with people with blue colored hair, you know, 60, 80, even beyond age. And you would just have a starting pairing. And if you, if your pair would win, you would stay at the table. If you would lose, you would move to the next table. So the pairs would switch after you lose. Uh, and even

[01:06:43] if you win, you play, you play, you play a second deal and the score you get, I, well, I guess in WIST drives, you would write down your total score. So if you got three, three out of the 13 tricks, you would write down three. If you are playing, like when I play with my kids, uh, you, we just keep track of tricks above seven for that running tally. And you go through, you know, the, the

[01:07:09] trumps clubs, diamonds, hearts, spades, and then around a note trumps ring and go from there. So, so if you, if you and your partner collectively take eight tricks, you get one point. Is that what you're telling me? Uh, tricks over six, which is a two. Yeah. So you would get two, but on a WIST drive where you have the full scorecard, the scorecard looks a lot like a golf scorecard, to be honest, that, that in, in my memory. And so you would just write down your

[01:07:36] tally. And then at the end of the evening, they would give a prize for top lady, top gent, halftime score. Uh, I think there was, uh, a consolation prize for whoever got wrecked and yeah, we would sit and have tea and cakes in rural Ireland. Uh, playing cards, probably bringing a lot of delights. Irish. Mm-hmm.

[01:08:06] Yeah. So we like, we still give him crap about tree, 30 tree. 300 and 30 tree. Must be, must be a Dubliner, a Dubliner then he's, he's, he's gotta be from Kildare. Yeah. Okay. There we go. I know Kildare. So yeah, it, uh, playing cards and then ultimately poker shaped my life in ways that I never could have anticipated. I, I certainly, when I was in my

[01:08:36] teens and looking forward, I, I really thought I had it figured out because I really believed what was told to me, you know, go get your degree, get this job and you know, you'll get married, have two and a half kids and, uh, a dog and do all these things. And that'll be that fulfillment, that path.

[01:08:58] And I'm so grateful to have found poker when I did because it really just opened up potential, possibility, challenge. Yeah. And it impacts everything I do in, in my life. And we, even so much so I'll, I'll share this. I, I have a family member who's quite sick and has been in hospital for a couple of weeks

[01:09:28] and my sister was trying to decide whether she was going to travel down to come see me. And it's hard, right? Because when somebody is critically ill and has a significant chance of dying, what do you do? Do you put your whole life on hold and to wait for that to come? Or do you live? Do you do the things like where, how can you move forward with the least amount of

[01:09:58] regret possible? And, uh, you know, I said to her, I said, it's just math. We just have to figure out the math of the situation. You know, maybe 70% of the time this person will recover and be back. Maybe 10%, you know, that this will be the, the, the final hospital admission.

[01:10:23] Uh, maybe 15% of the time they'll stay in hospital and just kind of hover for a long time. And so you make your decisions based on this level of critical thinking, holding how emotional it is, but being able to make decisions, quieting the emotional load so that you can move forward with the least amount of regrets.

[01:10:46] That's one of my biggest metrics of success is that I can get through day, week, month, year, decade with minimum regrets. And it's not about not making mistakes because I can show you numerous mistakes I've made over the last period of time, but there's a piece in understanding

[01:11:16] that you've done the best with the information you have, that you have moved forward in the way that is most true to you, that you have gathered everything that you have to make your decision. And sometimes the decisions between decisions could be really difficult when it comes to making a decision between maybe two undesirable circumstances, but sometimes the decision is

[01:11:43] between desirable circumstances. Sometimes that's even harder when you have to decide between two great things, but they're, you know, maybe you have a birthday party to go to and a wedding to go to. Maybe you want to be at both, but you can't. And so you, you have some tough decisions. And when I think about regrets, I think ultimately regret comes when you make a decision

[01:12:08] out of obligation or out of denying that internal response. Maybe, you know, you want to go to the birthday party, but you feel like, well, the wedding only happens once. Maybe, maybe, but so I should go to the wedding and with the birthday party, I'll see them again. We can celebrate next weekend, whatever it is, but maybe you really want to be here. You know, you need to feel comfortable

[01:12:33] making that choice and trusting that internal knowing because regret happens when we say yes to something that we internally say no to, or we say no to something that we internally say yes to. And my hope for my clients, for myself is that they've just become experts in really being able to navigate, being decisive to moving out of that purgatory of indecision and moving forward

[01:13:02] in a way that gives them that reward, that result that they want. Sound like, you know, this math problem sounds like your husband. Yeah. I mean, it, it, it has over the course of the last 15 years, it has definitely changed and

[01:13:27] evolved how I think about things, how, how I see things, the lens that I have. Yeah. And you, you made it to the final table of the World Series of Poker last year? Yeah. Oh my gosh. In the summer. So I play mixed games, which a lot of poker players are really familiar with. No limit hold them where you get two cards and all the rest. I have always preferred

[01:13:56] the more dynamic games where you play a game or the games change, they rotate through, they cycle through. And I played the World Series of Poker this year for the first time since 2013. I had been on hiatus, you know, with family, with priorities, with, with different choices. And I came back this year and I played a large number of events and was having, you know, really good success, which was

[01:14:23] exciting because I was not studied. I was not practiced. I was not, you know, like I was really relying on the core understanding I have of the game, my ability to be in the moment and all the rest. Yeah. And during one of the tournaments, I had this moment, this aha, this awareness is that I was playing this tournament, but I didn't believe I could win because of those reasons, because I hadn't studied, because I hadn't. And I came home one night and I said to my husband, you're going to

[01:14:52] laugh at me. And he said, okay, because it happens. Uh, I said, I just realized today that I actually could win this tournament. And it was so blatantly obvious, but this isn't any different than you in the, in yours. Like once you have that relation, realization that like, oh, I actually have the things it takes to win.

[01:15:17] Yeah. And subsequently then I ended up final tabling, making the top nine of the, the $3,000 horse tournament. But that awareness was more valuable than any prize money I could have gotten. Mm-hmm. And it seems so

[01:15:40] obvious. Of course you can. Anybody can. But when I was looking around the room at the competitors, there were people that I expected to be at the final table and I was counting myself out just as an automatic reaction. And so starting to understand, okay, well, where did this come from? Why, why do I think that the bracelets, the victories, the top prizes are for them? Why not me?

[01:16:04] Mm-hmm. And so I did some internal work on that to be able to, you know, really have that click. And this is a really significant thing for competitors to realize, especially in games, sports,

[01:16:29] where maybe the, the top 1% are, are a consistent 1%, like looking at golf, you know, looking at the top 10, you know, what does it mean if you expect yourself to be in the top 10? It just becomes easier. Mm-hmm. And so this year, this year I'll get a bracelet maybe. We'll see.

[01:16:56] How many 11, 11 players make a, make a final table? Uh, nine. Nine was the unofficial final table and I finished ninth. So. What happened on that last, uh, uh, so the game was stud high low and I had a really interesting hand where I had a nine, nine up and I had buried aces. So instead you get two cards down and one

[01:17:22] card up and everybody can see your up card. And then as you play through the hand, you'll end up with four total cards facing up and then your last card is delivered down. So you get a seven card, seven cards to make a five card hand. Yeah. But you only play your own board and everybody plays their own board. Right. Uh, and in stud high low, half the pot goes to the best high hand and half

[01:17:49] the pot goes to the best low hand. If there's a qualifying low, this is really getting into the weeds here. Um, and so it becomes really important to play hands like six, seven, eight. Four, five, six, because you have the opportunity to make a low and a high or a flush. And so I had a

[01:18:10] nine up and aces and aces buried. And it was a really tricky spot because looking at it just like this, you have aces, right? Aces, aces are the best. People get really excited, but given all that information that it becomes high and low and all the rest, you have to, you have to make some decisions.

[01:18:35] The decision I made and I was to go with the hand and unfortunately the villain of the story made a streak. And, uh, but I didn't have a lot of chips anyway. So there wasn't really an opportunity for me to play a hand with Phil Ivey in that tournament. And Phil Ivey in that, in that event. Yeah.

[01:19:05] Earlier I actually had him all in at one stage, uh, but he survived, but for anybody who knows poker, like Phil Ivey has been such a long standing, poised, quiet sniper in, in the poker world. And he's known for his Ivy stare and I was there and he bet on a hand and I raised him on the river and he just felt just stare. And, uh, you know, that's what I'll remember from those tournaments is that,

[01:19:33] you know, I was in the mix. I was there. I was gave myself the best opportunity I could to have the best result. But I also, um, really deeply satisfied, even though I didn't get the results I would have wanted because as you make day three of these platinum pairs, that bar of success is going to move because you're not going to get to day three and be like, ah, perfect. We've done it.

[01:20:00] No, now the success is going to be okay. Well now, now where can I really go? Where can I really finish? And so as I arrive at that final table, I'm grateful to be there. I've done the things to be there, but the bar of success has moved. Like now we're looking at, can I be in the top three? And once you get to the top three, it's like, no, get out of my way. I'm winning this. So next time it was good. What was the purse for the winner?

[01:20:27] Uh, it was just over $200,000. A ninth, ninth by comparison was 14,000. It's interesting that you didn't play for 11 years to me. That's interesting. Yeah. I, I mean, I played, I played online. No, I mean, you didn't play world series, the world series. Oh yeah. I mean, I, for me, high performance at that time was, you know, with my children.

[01:20:58] They were, they were really little and there was nothing more important to me, but now they get to see me out there competing in a different light. They get to see this side of me. Uh, and it's, it's a lot of fun. How old are they? 10, eight and six.

[01:21:28] Is there a dog? Is there a dog among them? Nope. Nope. We're cat people. We're cat people. We have one cat named wonder and yeah, he's a, he, he's his own personality. That's not what I meant. I've got a friend who, uh, he played lacrosse at UVA. He, he, he tore his ACL. And so he got to play a fifth year. So he sat out one year cause of ACL.

[01:21:55] So he got to play a fifth year and they won the national championship his fifth year and nobody else in his class won, won national championship. Uh, and he, he scored the penultimate goal in the national championship game. So, you know, obviously a great, great athlete. And he has three children and, uh, boy, girl, boy, like kind of a couple of years apart between each of them.

[01:22:20] Mm-hmm. And I was going to say, what an interesting story though, right? Because as he tears his ACL, he was probably devastated. Oh, I'm sure. What an incredible story. And like, we get to collect these stories because, you know, if not, you know, he tears his ACL, man, that's horrible luck. Why did this happen?

[01:22:44] And all the unfair, but now years later, his perspective is so different. You know, he tore his ACL, but, and then ended up like he scored that final goal. He got it right.

[01:22:58] Like all of this came together and worked for him. And that perspective and that's view is true in so many situations, you know, whether it's pandemics or injuries or difficult times in your life.

[01:23:21] You know, it can feel really unlucky. It can feel awful. It can feel really incredibly hard. But even in those moments, there's going to be a gift. You can't know what it is when you're in the weeds, but it gives us permission to hold onto that hope.

[01:23:45] Well, it's certainly obvious in this case, you know, like, but he's a very, he's a very competitive person, you know, and focused and driven. And, and so he always said from like a young age of his children, that his daughter, Martha was the one that really had like that killer side of herself. And so she is a freshman at Stanford on the women's lacrosse team. She's starting for them.

[01:24:15] I think she was a two, maybe even three time all American in high school, state player of the year, you know, really great athlete, which was always, you know, to me, it was always like, oh, that's interesting. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, and, and maybe, you know, you know, I just, it was just like, it was unexpected, you know, that it was the girl, but he knew it from, and that's what I was asking.

[01:24:45] Like, if you had any dogs. Oh, that way. In the, in, in, in, amongst the children, like, you know, that have that same competitive drive as their mother. Uh, yes, my, my, my children are all very competitive and, but they are all uniquely competitive. Uh, my oldest is kind of just like really conventionally gritty competitive.

[01:25:12] I think has some amount of athletic ability, you know, like he, you present him with a sport and he can get proficient very quickly. He can step in and do that very quickly. My second son, he is magical in so many ways. He's an observer, deeply, deeply competitive.

[01:25:38] He feels, and so he's only eight still, he feels wins and losses very, very profoundly. And so he is an observer. He taught himself to read at four. All of a sudden we were like working on doing reading lessons with him and he's like, I can read. And, and literally could, he, he just is able to absorb so much. And so whether it's playing video games, whether it's sports, he's just watching and gathering data.

[01:26:05] He is this data miner that allows him to perform. Uh, but also definitely very, very competitive. But as what happens with most second children, right? Is, is that older child has a little bit more of a spotlight because they tend to be taller, stronger, faster, and have had more opportunity for reps. And, uh, I think it'll be really interesting as that playing field starts to level between them.

[01:26:32] And my daughter, she is a world of her own. Um, she'll be out in her rubber boots and princess dress stomping around the baseball field. Uh, and she has that competitive drive as well. Like she really does like to win. They all, my kids are very, uh, deeply into Pokemon right now. And they go and they play Pokemon competitively twice a week.

[01:27:00] And, uh, so they, they, they, it's, it's so fun to be able to watch and youth sports in particular. It's such a great vehicle for learning, for understanding, for, uh, being faced with exposure.

[01:27:21] We just had baseball tournaments this last weekend and, you know, you have referees or umpires who make calls that you disagree with. And how do you see the adults around you responding as you're a child? Yeah. Are they like, you're you, you, you, you, you, you, you. Or do they say like, Hey, let's get back to it. We didn't like that, but where can we go? What can we do? Yeah. You know?

[01:27:46] And so this is where adults have such a, a powerful spot in youth sports to be able to respond correctly. Or if there is something that needs further discussion, how does your coach go approach the ump? What's the meaning that's made of, you know, an umpire that strikes you out or you're pitching and your close pitches. He called them strikes for the other team and not for you. Right.

[01:28:09] It is the best vehicle for performance, for, uh, exposure to some really difficult stuff. And I love it. Um, my oldest son's team lost in the championship and deep down, I was actually really pleased. Mm-hmm. Because he's never going to be like, Oh yeah, I remember that time I was 10, that pinnacle of my career. No.

[01:28:38] Well, I don't know. So what he's going to remember is that in that final game, the coach looked down the bench and called him into pitch because he was the one who could stay the most level. Even though they were facing, you know, they were the favorite going in as well. And just kind of fell apart because they're 10, they're tired. They're, you know, it's sunny, it's hot. It's our first tournament of the year.

[01:29:04] But, you know, the coach could have gone to other pitchers, but he went to my son and, you know, told him, I knew that you could keep it together. That even though things were falling apart, there were errors, dropped balls, all the rest, I knew that you could keep it together. And so what a victory that is. And that'll serve him in whatever career path he decides to go with.

[01:29:33] Because no matter what, you always will face people who have different opinions, different ideas. And you get to stay curious, stay open, and decide on your path forward. That path that gives you that deep fulfillment, that satisfaction, and ultimately the success.

[01:30:03] If people want to work with you, what's the best, what should they do? So you can find me at primemind.com slash Adrienne Carter. And you can find me on Instagram at primedadrian. And we have a team of coaches. You know, I'm one of six, I think.

[01:30:28] And we all have, you know, our own unique backgrounds, our own specialties, subspecialties even. And, yeah, fill out an application. And we can definitely put you in touch with the right person, with me. I'm happy to talk with anybody. Yeah, we did like an initial conversation, I think. Yeah. Before we agreed to do the series of sessions. A hypnosis sessions.

[01:30:58] There's some skepticism. There's a big leap of faith to be taken. And so, you know, we go together. And we're going to have a, I'll just say this. Who knows if it's going to happen. I think it will happen. I haven't talked to the person yet. But we're going to have a, we're going to have a, if you want to sign up for the Primed Mind app,

[01:31:25] we're going to have a discount code for Setting Trick listeners. And that'll be available in the show notes. Yeah, perfect. And our app, Primed Mind, is a hypnosis and meditation app. There are tracks to be able to listen to. The most popular ones are for sleep, getting better sleep. But there's courses in confidence. There's courses in navigating emotions.

[01:31:49] There's some golf primers to be able to listen to that just give you that ability to pen down, focus up. That's right. All right. That's the name of this one. Pen down, focus up. And I can't wait to see. What you and Joe do this weekend. And, you know, I wish you all the best. A little bit of luck on top of some really solid play.

[01:32:19] Nothing wrong with a little bit of luck. That's one of my favorite things is just how you reach out, you know, like you, when I least expect it, you know, there's a tomahawk ribeye at my door. So good, right? So good, right? All right. Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate this conversation. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. Thank you.

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